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Quarterly reports are the stuff of business. In most people's minds, they are as far from the spirit of free and open source software (FOSS) as anyone can imagine. All the same, as non-profit organizations, many FOSS projects issue them. And while your first reaction may be to avoid quarterly reports, they can give some insights into projects, especially if you read between the lines.
For instance, if you have been assuming, as I have, that GNOME has more corporate support than KDE, and a larger budget, a look at the latest report for GNOME and KDE may surprise you. Together, the two reports give an entirely different impression than you might assume.
Neither quarterly report has much in common with the glossy publications offered by multi-national publications. Both are PDF files with undistinguished layouts and a minimum of graphics. Even head shots of people mentioned or reporting are absent. Compared to corporate reports, those of both GNOME and KDE are practical, unadorned publications.
Of the two, GNOME's (its first, covering June, July, and August 2009) comes closest to the spirit of a corporate report. It includes not only the obligatory message from GNOME's executive director, but also reports from the Release, Bugsquad, Marketing, Web, Usability, Accessibility, Documentation, Art and Localizations Teams. Although some of these reports were outdated by the time the report was released, their overall impression is of a multi-tiered multi-national's executives reporting in. In general, the report fits in well with GNOME's traditional tendency to favor the corporate side and with its recent interest in marketing. Like most quarterly reports, it is as much a public relations document as an effort to provide concrete information (although it does both). The one non-corporate note is at the beginning, when executive director Stormy Peters asks readers, "please let us know if you find it useful!"
In comparison, KDE's report for March through June 2009 is less than one quarter the size of GNOME's. Although it includes the usual redundant introduction -- this time by Aaron Seigo -- it contains far fewer individual summaries than GNOME's report. These differences may reflect the greater experience that KDE e.V. -- the German non-profit that manages KDE -- has with the whole idea of reports, and has the advantage that it is more likely to be read completely. At the same time, because it is so short, the KDE report seems less corporate, an impression that is fitting for the project's more community-based orientation.
Beyond these general impressions, what is most interesting is the financial accounting in the reports. The two reports are not strictly comparable, given that many FOSS activities occur in the northern hemisphere's summer rather than spring. Nor is it always obvious in either report what falls under each line item. Still, some differences emerge.
For instance, GNOME lists an income of just over $102,000 for the quarter covered by its report. This income includes $65,000 from the Desktop Summit, $20,000 from "advisory board fees" (which I interpret mainly as donations from corporate sponsors), and $12,400 collected by the Friends of GNOME, a promotional and fund-raising project.
Omitting the Desktop Summit as a one-time source of income, these figures mean that GNOME has traditionally relied on corporate supporters. Corporate supporters continue to provide the bulk of GNOME's income, but the total from Friends of GNOME suggests that GNOME may be switching to a more community-based source of income. However, given that GNOME reported an approximate income of $54,000 per quarter in 2008 (http://markmail.org/message/bsk4gush6hoq42ef), GNOME does appear to be suffering from reduced income this year; if you divide the one-time Desktop Summit income over all quarters, GNOME is apparently operating this year on about $47,000 per quarter.
By contrast, KDE's income for the quarter covered by its report totaled just over $111,000 (if you convert the figures from Euros to approximate American dollars). This is actually an increase from the incomes of $93,000 and $102,000 in the fourth and second quarter of 2008. In other words, despite GNOME's wooing of corporate support, KDE appears to have roughly twice the budget of GNOME in each quarter. And, just as importantly, KDE does not seem to have been affected by the recession.
What is not altogether clear is where KDE's income is coming from. However, if you assume that the Camp KDE sponsorships and donations indicate corporate donations, then KDE is attracting more support from business than GNOME, Assuming that "supporting members" refers to individuals, KDE is also is collecting more than twice as much from indviduals.
To keep running, GNOME spends $34,401 on wages and $3300 on employee travel, while sponsoring the costs of developers traveling to the desktop summit with $10,300. No other travel expenses are listed, so, presumably, GNOME spends a comparable amount for travel each quarter.
In comparison, KDE spends $17,000 on wages, plus some $2000 for legal expenses and $3,000 for board meetings -- presumably because a number of board members travel from North America to attend. Even so, its administrative costs are less than half GNOME's, despite its larger income.
Moreover, KDE also provides some $27,000 in travel expenses to events ranging from developer meetings, conferences and Camp KDE, a total well over twice that of GNOME, even in a quarter without the Desktop Summit. From these figures, it appears that KDE places a far greater emphasis on face to face meetings than GNOME currently does.
Considering these figures, you should not be surprised that KDE was reporting a positive balance of over $288,000. GNOME's total balance was not reported, but, considering that last year GNOME was expecting a short fall of some $40,000, the chances are that its bank balance is nowhere near KDE's.
These suppositions might change if we knew exactly what each line item involved. Still, the differences are consistent enough to make clear that KDE is more than holding its own in the corporate world. What's more, it appears to run more cheaply than GNOME, and to spend more of its money on its community.
These conclusions are no reflection on GNOME, nor on the current members of the GNOME Foundation. If nothing else, being centered in North America, GNOME might have been harder hit by the recent recession than KDE, which tends to be centered in Europe.
But these conclusions do show how your impressions can change when you get to the bottom line. KDE, from what I can see, is not the underdog that many imagine.
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SuSESuSE and Mandrake, the biggie European parents used KDE while Red Hat uses Gnome- the USA parent, as does Ubuntu - also now situated in North America. http://www.rapidsloth.com Debian, also from North America, traditionally *refused* to use KDE as Qt was not 'True Open Source'.
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Interesting place to look for info.That was a pretty interesting article. Unlike many of the comments, the author managed to steer clear from taking too strong of a position in favor of GNOME or KDE. Thanks for beginning to unravel the mysteries of open source finance!
Re: You have to look at the yearStormy wrote:
"To get an accurate picture of the finances, you have to look at the entire year. For example, most of GNOME's income comes in during the first two quarters of the year. (And you are correct. Most of the GNOME Foundation's donations have traditionally come from corporate sponsors and we have done a big drive this year to increase community contributions through Friends of GNOME. We've raised that from about $6,000 last year to over $20,000 this year. Interestingly, most financial donations come from users, not contributors.)
"Our budget is published on our website and our 2009 results will come out soon as our fiscal year ends September 30th. "
You're right, of course, that a whole year should be more accurate than a single quarter, especially when that quarter includes an unusual event like the Desktop Summit. Maybe I will take another look in more detail when the yearly report is released.
Re: biasanon wrote:
"Your article seems to hint that there is some dark, hidden secret about where KDE's income is coming from. I would equate KDE's "Donations" with "Friends of GNOME", both are equally anonymous."
If that hint can be read into what I wrote, I certainly didn't intend it. All I meant to indicate was that "donations" did not give much information about the source. It might be equivalent to "Friends of GNOME," but it is not nearly as specific as a source.
Re: Seasonalilty of donationsDave Neary wrote:
"While I don't dispute that GNOME couple possibly run a tighter ship, you have perhaps chosen the worst quarter possible to judge the relative merits of the projects - the quarter in which the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit happened."
Thanks for providing more detail. But I should stress that I was not passing any judgment about the projects' merits, just seeing what the quarterly reports might show about how the projects spend their money and what their priorities might be.
Re: KDE world MapHmm... interesting theory:
But if GNOME were so US-bound and KDE were so Europe-bounded, why do the maps look almost like each other?
Big FAIL for your theory, I'd guess.
Seasonality of donationsHi Bruce,
While I don't dispute that GNOME couple possibly run a tighter ship, you have perhaps chosen the worst quarter possible to judge the relative merits of the projects - the quarter in which the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit happened. KDE and GNOME have a revenue agreement for that conference, where any conference budget surplus will be shared. Each project spends that surplus as they wish on developer travel & accommodation costs. The GNOME Foundation took in money from some sponsors, and KDE eV took in money from others. That one-time cost & revenue source will iron out in the wash, but it will take several months for those accounts to be completely closed.
In addition, the GNOME Foundation advisory board (as you rightly point out, the principle revenue source of the GNOME Foundation) is invoiced en masse in January of the calendar year. Any advisory board payments arriving during the Summer are actually late payments - in the first half of the calendar year, everyone has typically paid their dues.
About the wage bill: The hiring of Stormy Peters as executive director is one year old. Stormy has already had some great successes, and these will continue. In some sense, the higher wage bill of the GNOME Foundation is an investment in the future success of the project.
It's worth pointing out, in addition, that the foundation chose to aim to spend some of its surplus on accountant's advice - as a non-profit he considered that we had too much reserves. From memory, I believe that our reserves are roughly the same as KDE eV's, around $250,000.
While you have a point, I feel that these bits of information undermine your argument somewhat. The reality is that the GNOME Foundation has an annual budget roughly equivalent to that of KDE eV, and chooses to spend it differently.
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I'm using Gnome, and I have Compiz desktop cube working right now. Just the plain old square at the moment, although both cylinder and sphere work just as well.
I prefer Gnome because it's just a plain desktop without the flashiness of KDE. Even with Compiz working, which I sometimes use to show Windows users what they're missing, the desktop is suitably professional. You see, I use a computer as a tool, not as an end in itself. Gnome allows me to get my work done without being distracted by KDE's bling.
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biasYour article seems to hint that there is some dark, hidden secret about where KDE's income is coming from. I would equate KDE's "Donations" with "Friends of GNOME", both are equally anonymous.
In the beginning...In the beginning , the Gnome was started by the same reason Debian refused to ship KDE: that QT was not "true open source". It always was a dubious argument, to say the least. Gnome was never more stable than KDE (in the beginning the opposite was true, because KDE was more mature when Gnome was just starting). The better impression of Gnome user experience in distros like Ubuntu is that they spend all their user experience effort with Gnome and not with KDE. Despite having Gnome as "default" desktop environment, Red Hat (and Fedora) always had the best practice of carefully integrate Gnome and KDE into the distro in such a way that the user experience is not affected by the desktop environment he or she chooses.Today there is no reason whatsoever to continue shunning KDE because QT is now truly open source. So why do distributions like Debian and Ubuntu (a Debian clone) do not spend integration efforts to be as "user-friendly" in KDE as they are on Gnome? Its a unjustified -- despite all "holly wars" no distro shuns vi in favor of emacs, for example!
And on the "true open source" argument I always found curious that the Miguel de Icaza was, in the beginning, such a zelot and now he is an evangelist for turning Microsoft's .NET platform, through Mono, the GUI platform of choice in Linux. And Gnome is increasingly moving towards Mono. Hurray for "true open source" wars.
KDENone of this matters to the end user at all. Regardless of how much money KDE has if they dont start showing some consistency and stability it will never be used in my house. Change and improvements are good but there is absolutely no reason that KDE needs to keep radically changing every 6 months or so. Its a BAD idea to gain market share. Whats they end up doing is catering to the bleeding edge that dont want consistency just the latest pretty desktop. I tried to get into 4.x after being a 3.5.x user and just as i got used to it 4.1 was released and it looked significantly different then they did the same with 4.2 which had the best looking taskbar by far then they revert to that ugly one in 4.3. Maybe if they just stick with something i can jump on board but with each release of KDE you never know what direction they will take it. With gnome you always know what you're getting and there is an extensive library of themes etc. for it.
one small omissionAlthough this is about GNOME/KDE finances, I would love for the author to include a simple comparison of cost-per-feature of the popular(sic) closed source desktops (hint hint) as compared to both GNOME and KDE.
The rationale for such a comparison is that the readership/audience of anything to do with finance reports of the top 2 FOSS _Desktop_ projects will not be restricted to just Linux users.
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Re: KDE world MapI think you'll find that Ubuntu, or at least it's main corporate sponsor Canonical is head quartered in London, England and is registered in Douglas, Isle of Man. Neither of these are North America.
Not big dealBut there is some KDE have to to do. Many Linux-users, including me, are too suspicious to download ISO-file with KDE. Looks like Gnome has more reliable reputation. I've heard about too many disappointed KDE-tries. Perhaps KDE 4.3 can change things.
KDE world MapLooking at the same type of map for KDE-
The conclusion is that Linux with KDE/Gnome is most prominent in the Developed World where it really could benefit those in the Developing world more.
Seems like Money (cost) is not an issue, but that Free Time and general access to civil tech probably is.
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And yes... KDE is no more European than Gnome, but I see why one can think so.
SuSE and Mandrake, the biggie European parents used KDE while Red Hat uses Gnome- the USA parent, as does Ubuntu - also now situated in North America. Debian, also from North America, traditionally *refused* to use KDE as Qt was not 'True Open Source'.
So there is validity in saying that:
KDE == European,
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..based on *distro locality*...
The USER-BASE, is international though for both.
I heardI heard most of the money from both organizations go to booze and hookers.
Just the word on the street though.
what is this?Without a doubt one of the most speculative, useless articles ever I've read about Linux.
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Re: Too many assumptionsWhile I agree there are too many assumptions, I think that in this case, the article is highlighting that the reports should be clearer.
Too many assumptionsFour times in the article are variations on the word 'assume'. I think we can allow maybe 1 or 2, but reporting should be about facts, and my takeaway from this article is that more research should have been done to eliminate some assumptions. That would have been interesting.
HahI heard Stormy's salary sucks up GNOME's top three sponsors' donations.
KDE / QtIt is not to be forgotten that Nokia just acquired TrollTech (QT) and thus, as a big juggernaut, might be helping out a bit more with deeper pockets?
EU - USFor a map of the KDE contributions, take a look at this map:
You should not think of the foundation as the whole of the projectNice article. I just wanted to point out that you should not consider the foundations as the whole of the projects - most of what I consider 'corporate support' in GNOME, for instance, comes from the fact that many corporations contribute code, and maintainership for important projects, not only money.
You have to look at the yearTo get an accurate picture of the finances, you have to look at the entire year. For example, most of GNOME's income comes in during the first two quarters of the year. (And you are correct. Most of the GNOME Foundation's donations have traditionally come from corporate sponsors and we have done a big drive this year to increase community contributions through Friends of GNOME. We've raised that from about $6,000 last year to over $20,000 this year. Interestingly, most financial donations come from users, not contributors.)
Our budget is published on our website and our 2009 results will come out soon as our fiscal year ends September 30th.
Europe & USAnother unjustified presumption is that KDE tends to be more Europe-centric whereas Gnome is more US-centric. Take a look at this map for instance: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWorldWide
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